IDL111 Season 3: A Positive Legacy with Jade Gordon

Why is there a deficit of leadership in modern society? How can you transform poor leadership into lifelong skills? Why do positive leaders always create genuine relationships?

Today is the first ever-father-daughter interview. Jade Gordon, daughter of Jon Gordon, has committed herself to speaking, public engagement, and sharing the message of positive leadership. We dive into to her perspectives as a 24 year old, coming from a family who are deeply rooted in the leadership philosophy.

Meet Jade Gordon

One day while working as a hostess at Nobu in Malibu, Jade met a customer who changed everything. The woman had a poor experience with her waiter, so Jade apologized and began to have a nice conversation with her. The woman then asked if she could pray for Jade and proceeded to say that fear was keeping her from her destiny and then asked God to help Jade live out her purpose and calling.

The woman proceeded to tell Jade that she had a vision of her speaking around the country, and this surprising, profound experience was the catalyst for Jade to face her fears and step into this work.

At first Jade spoke to her old high school lacrosse team. Then a youth group. A boys lacrosse team. Clemson baseball. A high school in Texas. And a month ago she spoke in Iowa at a woman's conference, a business event, at a high school and to two businesses.

Now she speaks about positive leadership to teens and adults. She does Energy Bus assemblies for elementary, middle and high schools. And she has created her own talk on developing confidence and another talk on living your purpose.

Connect with Jade on Instagram and Twitter. Email her at: jade@jongordon.com

IN THIS EPISODE WE DISCUSS:

• Overcoming the leadership deficit - 03:46

• Positive leaders create great relationships - 06:46

• Covert poor leadership into future greatness - 14:58

Overcoming the leadership deficit

With newer and younger generations starting to enter the workforce, there is a clash between the values and methods of older leaders and younger workers.

Many new employees leave jobs and look for companies that reflect their values instead of keeping their heads down and working because they want to live out their values.

If the workplace is not aligned with their values, they look for one that is.

Ask yourself: “How can I lead in a way that’s going to make a difference in the lives of the people around me?”

Positive leaders create great relationships

To create foundational and strong relationships within the business, use the four C’s:

1 – Communication

2 – Connection

3 – Commitment

4 – Care

You need to make use of all these four C’s when you want to create and sustain genuine relationships.

With great relationships comes trust, connection, and receptivity to feedback.

People are much more likely to follow your lead and enact your advice when they trust you because you have shown yourself to be trustworthy and dependable.

That all starts with you doing the work.

Convert poor leadership into greatness

Bad leadership is difficult to be under. Working for a subpar leader can be frustrating and demotivating, and it can push you to look elsewhere.

However, you can use this experience as an opportunity as well.

You can learn from bad leaders how “not” to lead, as well as learn from great leaders how to lead well.

Resources, books, and links mentioned in this episode:

BOOK | Jon Gordon – The Power of Positive Leadership: How and Why Positive Leaders Transform Teams and Organizations and Change the World

Connect with Jade on Instagram and Twitter. Email her at: jade@jongordon.com

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If we can help impact the younger generation to learn how to be more positive leaders, then that can change so many different cultures.

Jade Gordon

Podcast Transcription

[TYLER DICKERHOOF] Welcome back to the Impact Driven Leader Podcast. This is your host, Tyler Dickerhoof. Man, excited to be here with you. We are cruising along in 2023, and this year has been jam-packed, some fun, exciting guests, some different conversations. Today is the first ever, father daughter, daughter interview Jade Gordon, the daughter of John. But don't let that shake you. Like she isn't just John's daughter, she is John and Catherine's daughter, but Jade, on our own accord, has committed to this world of speaking and being engaged and really sharing the message of positive leadership. It's exciting to hear her perspectives as a 24-year-old in the world we live in, coming from a family where she saw her dad transform. As we discuss that in this conversation, what that really means, and quite honestly, is part of our conversation, and I shared with Jade, I appreciate her having the conversation because it was really a moment for her to stop and understand and appreciate the perspective that she has. I think, as I shared with her, is she's just there. She's there where she is able to experience and see by conversation with others how her experiences with positivity and a positive form of leadership has transformed her family, and she has the opportunity to explore and show that to others. I'm excited for you guys to listen to this conversation with the wonderful Jade Gordon. Sit back and listen, I know you're going to get great perspective and a tremendous amount of value. [TYLER] Jade, how are you doing? [JADE GORDON] I'm good. How are you? [TYLER] Good. I'm going to share this and then we're going to laugh about it. This is the first time I've ever interviewed a father-daughter combination, having interviewed your dad and now you. I'm going to use that to say again, we're getting deep here, how much as you're in this world of speaking and really sharing this message, are you trying to say no, yes, my dad, that's great. He's wrote, he's written wonderful books, but it's like, here's my perspective. [JADE] It actually ties into something that you talked about at the event that we did, The Catalyst for Growth, when you're talking about things that hold you back from leadership. For me, one of those was insecurity of, I was like, I don't know if I can speak, I don't know if I can do this. My dad has impacted so many people. He has these books. I'm going to be talking about his stuff. What are people going to say? Am I going to live up to him? For a while, that really held me back where I was so insecure and I was like, no, I can't do this. Then I realized like, I'm not going to allow this lie to hold me back. Yes, my dad is paving the way for me, and yes, I'm speaking on his stuff, but it's a message that I'm passionate about. It's a message that I think more people need to hear, which is why I decided that I wanted to do this work. I had the opportunity to sit down and think yes, I can compare myself to my dad, but he's a 50-year-old man. I am a 24-year-old girl. I have my own experiences and I've experienced things that maybe he didn't at a different age. So I'm like, I can share my experiences with people and maybe they can resonate it, resonate with it more than they would resonate with my dad, who's older than me. So I've had to shift that mindset. [TYLER] Well, I appreciate that, and I love that. I think really that's what I shared with you this podcast is about, is helping leaders that, man, how do we do this and bridging those generational gaps or bridging those different types of gaps? So yourself being on the younger end of that spectrum, 24, and you shared something when we were visiting a couple weeks ago about the world being in this leadership deficit. Man, I'd love for you to just explain that and what that means in your eyes as you're seeing yourself in contemporaries now in positions and ss so many of them that we've heard, and I explained to you people leaving jobs because they're like, man, the leadership here sucks. I don't know how better to put it other than that. So, again, I'd love to get your view and perspective on that. [JADE] It's a shame that we're in this leadership deficit. Again, that's why I decided I wanted to speak and share this message, because I said, if we can help impact the younger generation to learn how to be more positive leaders, that can change so many different cultures. So, I know for me personally, I worked a job in LA when I lived in LA and it wasn't the best leadership, but it really taught me the importance of servant leadership and also impacting the people around you of saying, you don't have to have a title to be a leader. Anybody, even if you're not in a position of power, you have the ability to impact the people around you. So I think it's a shame that we have the older generation that's not leading in the best way possible, but with the message that we share, the power positive leadership, I think one of the most important things right now is teaching people that leadership starts with relationships. We have to create those relationships so that we can lead people in a positive way and I think that's one of the things that we're missing so much in today's culture of people are just trying to tell people what to do. They're trying to lead them in this direction, but maybe they're not doing it in the best way possible, especially with the difference between, like you were talking about the Baby Boomers and then the people who now are Gen Z and Gen X and all those people. It's saying, how can we treat people in a way that we're holding them accountable, but also giving them love of saying, "Hey, I want to create a relationship with you. I want to get to know you, but I'm also your boss and I'm also going to lead you in a positive way." So I think it's because we have that deficit that people now need to step up more than ever and say, how can I lead in a way that's going to make a difference? Instead of having people rage quit where they're like, I don't want to work here anymore. This is a toxic environment, I don't like it, where they're saying what, because we're creating these relationships, I know that my boss cares about me, and they're going to lead me in a positive way. So I think that's important now more than ever. [TYLER] So, you shared, and I've heard this, you've shared this before, is that positive leadership, positive leaders create great relationships. Explain that just a little bit more one, how you've seen that, whether it's in your own family or other leaders and coaches, and one, I really talk about the feeling that you had in those instances, because I think that's when we understand that that is moving. [JADE] For me personally, I think again now in our society, this day and age now more than ever, people value relationships. That's what makes life, I think, so fulfilling and important is having those relationships. So I think when we are creating those great relationships, we have to use the four Cs. The four Cs is communication, connection, commitment, and care. I need to communicate with somebody to create a relationship with them. I'm asking them how they're doing, or if we're working together, how can I best serve you? How can I be there for you? Just learning ways that maybe they're more receptive to communication or how they want to be communicated to, especially in power, leadership of saying maybe they want a text from you to say, "Hey, I appreciate you so much." r maybe they don't like to be yelled at. Maybe they want you to verbalize something in a different way that somebody may be more receptive to. Once we communicate with them, we're creating a, we're creating that trust. Then once we've created that trust and that communication, we want to have a connection with them, which is that bond. It bonds us together. So we communicate to connect, and once we're connecting with people, we have to show that we're committed. That's why in leadership, it's so important of creating these great relationships of saying, hey, I'm here for you. I'm going to show you that I'm committed. It's service and sacrifice. I'm going to show up for you no matter what. We're a team. Like, you need to know that I'm your teammate in this. You are not alone. Then once we've created that commitment with that person, then we have to show them that we care. When we show people that we care, it changes everything, to know that somebody cares about you, to know that somebody's going to show up for you. You're creating those great relationships. If you know that somebody cares for you, and it also ties into love and accountability. If I know somebody cares for me and they're giving me direction on how I should do this, or they're giving me advice, I'm going to be more likely to be receptive to their feedback instead of saying, why are you telling me what to do? Why are you giving me a hard time? I know that they're doing it for my best interest. Because if we don't have those relationships and my boss comes in and says, "Hey, you're doing this wrong, you need to figure this out," I'm probably going to get defensive. I'm going to say, "I don't want to work here. This is toxic. They're treating me like garbage." Whereas if I have a relationship with them, I know they're doing it because they have a standard and they want me to reach my full potential for myself and for the company. So I think that's so important. [TYLER] I think it's, from my experience and as I think back of what I've seen either my kids go through with their different coaches, and you really see a lot about leadership when there's coaches because it just displays all of it even more so than at workplace, and the ones that manipulated or the ones that were negative, or the ones that were of course there's the loud and the screaming. My son has a coach who he absolutely adores and loves, and the guy's hard on him to a point. But even to hear my son is like, no, but I know he cares about me because he encourages me and he's just as positive as he holds the standard. My daughter went through a situation, and I think this is pretty endemic of a lot of girl sports, where her coach was very manipulative, was very cutting, not even really communicating with her, and a lot of yelling and screaming. She struggled and she struggles, like, why am I even here? I think those examples of like a positive leader that has high standards and that love and affection, but yet, I would say a hammer of a standard you can appreciate and understand compared to the person who is, doesn't have that, they're more negative. How have you seen that play out either through the work your dad has shown and done, or even your own experiences? [JADE] So I had a similar experience to your daughter where in high school I had very, very negative coaches. They were not positive, they were just, looking back --- [TYLER] What did they do? [JADE] They were very manipulative. Their daughter was on the team, and they were very hard on us, which I get, they were holding us to a standard, and that's fine, but it was never really any love in the sense of it was just, they were constantly driving us, and that would be fine, but it was also to the point where they were bullies, and they would do things on purpose to get a reaction or to cause some type of thing. Like I remember when I was, it was my junior year and that year, it was honestly my best year of playing and their daughter was injured, but they gave their daughter the all-American whatever, which honestly, they should have given it to me. All the other coaches at other schools actually reached out to me and said, "We cannot believe they did that. We are so sorry." They were like, "Oh, well, we gave you academic all-American, like, we still gave you something," which was fine, but it was how they did it. They were very conniving and they were doing it for their own personal gain and trying to help their daughter, which I totally get. But they ended up getting fired as a result of other things that they did, but they just weren't very positive. It was always, they were trying to push us and yell at us and, I don't know, just, it was just crazy. There was experiences where we all were in a room, me, my dad, and them, and we had to sit down with them because of, they were being bullies. The guy was like, "Okay, John, maybe one day we'll sit down and have a beer and we'll talk about it," like, just very condescending. It's just, looking back, it's like that's not who you want coaching your kids. You want people that are like, we want to encourage you to be your best because we care about you, not because we care about winning, not because we're trying to get our daughter to do whatever. We want to be here because we love the sport and we love you girls. So I think, and I don't, I didn't get into all the other things that they did. They were honestly awful. So just experiencing that, one, it made me so much stronger. I'm actually very grateful for the experience because now I have really thick skin and now I'm like, this is not as bad as what I had to deal with in high school. Like, I can get through this. But it's now realizing, it showed me the importance of, again, sharing this message of we need more positive leaders. We don't need people acting like my coaches did. We want people to understand the power of positive leadership and also equip them with the tools, because maybe my coaches were that way, because maybe that's just their personality, or also maybe because they didn't have the tools to be able to be more positive leaders. So I think sharing the message impacting one person, and then maybe that one person can share it with somebody else and hopefully it spreads of just having more positive leaders. [TYLER] From a personal experience, I shared this with you and I shared about your dad in the book behind you, The Power of Positive Leadership actually helped me transform because it realized, it helped me understand that I could change from being negative to a positive person. I know that's a lot of your dad's story, a lot of what you experienced, but I want to dig back again in that, the instance when you were in high school and your coaches. As your dad left, that how much did he help you in a way understand, hey, people have to change through this. I've changed through, you've seen me change through this. I just want to know a little bit more how we handled that one so I can learn how to handle it better. Maybe I need to text your dad and just ask him. But I've also had that theory that this sucks that my daughter's having to go through but it's also a great example to say, that's not good leadership. You should not expect people to be like that. So just a little bit more about that instance and how you guys navigated that. [JADE] I mean, it was really hard, but it was my dad who said, he always said to me, your positivity has to be greater than all the challenges you face, all the negativity that you're going to face. Like through your life you're going to face challenges, adversity, and you have to realize how to get through them, how to be strong. Obviously, at the time when you're a parent, like you don't want to see other people treating your daughter or your son this way. You don't want to see this dynamic. But it's just one of those things where you just have to, he said, it's like the story of the coffee bean of don't allow your environment to affect you, you transform your environment. I always tell the story of I had these awful coaches, and when the daughter was benched and she was always the one who was on the field yelling at people, my dad said, this is your chance to be that positive leader, to impact people in a positive way. So, because she wasn't on the field, I decided that I was going to step up and I was going to be a more positive leader. I was going to encourage people. When people were getting yelled at, I was pulling them aside and saying, "Hey, you got the next one. It's okay. We're not going to focus on the past. We're going to look forward to what's going to happen in the next play." As a result of that, not only did everybody else get better on my team, because I was finally, there was some positivity on the team because the coaches weren't just this negative culture, but it helped me to be a more positive leader to say, yeah, my coaches are acting this way, but I have the ability to spread positivity to other people, but I have to fuel myself first. It was telling myself that I'm not going to listen to what they have to say. I'm going to go out and play and I'm going to try and do my best. That's what my dad instilled in me, of just focus on yourself, focus on your love for the game, even though there was times where I was like, why, like your daughter, why am I still doing this? It was, no, I'm not going to let them ruin this. Then my dad obviously having to step aside and be like I'm going to let her figure this out because I'm not going to be there to protect her. Yes, it's frustrating, but this is something that she's going to have to face. She's going to probably face so many things in life with different bosses or different people or whoever it is. So he really gave the space to spread that positivity, but also just allow it to happen to face those challenges and adversity and turn those from negative to positive. [TYLER] I think that whether you realize or not, that experience that you've had has been a great testament and lesson. I think that's where, again, I can remember back in my early 20's and in dealing with leaders that I didn't realize were toxic. I didn't understand the things that they were doing was very narcissistic and egotistc. I just thought it was the way business was, and you have to play this game to a point where I realized, ah, that isn't how it should be. I think that's one of this great challenges why I find myself where I'm at and having conversations with yourself going through that and encouraging people, like, no, you can be exactly that. You can be that coffee bean. I didn't understand that then. I fell into the trap of my own personal predisposition to being a little bit more negative or really for me, I was like, it was insecurity. It was burden out of that and I think so much of the negativity that we see in leaders is actually their insecurity coming out. It's, they're lashing out at others because they don't know a different way to connect, to communicate, to go, all really the four Cs that you shared. [JADE] Yeah. [TYLER] So how do you, like, if you're thinking about this and your experiences what's the one thing, one problem that you just, man, this is in my heart, I hope I can help people solve. [JADE] It's not necessarily in the power of positive leadership that I speak about, but it's something that, I think it's what you talk about of insecurity and also finding confidence to be a positive leader, even if you don't have a title. We talk about the 10 lies of leadership that I speak to teens, and I tell them like, you don't have to have a title to be a leader. Just because you're not a captain or just because you're not whoever you are, you still have the ability to do this. A lot of times people think, no, I don't. Why would anybody listen to me? I think that's because people struggle with finding that confidence in being yourself and knowing your true identity of realizing that you, the power is inside of you. That's something that's really on my heart because I know personally I struggled with it. I just want to empower the younger generation to say, Hey, no, no, no, no, you, the power is inside of you. You've got this, you can change your environment. You have the ability to be positive, to impact the people around you. I think with social media and comparison and all these things, people are really struggling with that insecurity. That's one of the lies that you talk about of holding people back from being a positive leader. [TYLER] I mean, it's a reality we all have. Your circumstances, as you talked about, it's like, oh, can I speak as well as my dad? I think what I'm guessing you're learning is you never will because you're not him, but you're going to speak as well as Jade can, which is even more powerful to the people that need to hear it. I believe that. I think now you're starting to appreciate and believe that. I've heard that and gather that. I think that is, that's the great gift that we can give anyone, especially through leadership. The ability to help someone unlock and see their potential and their strength through healthy leadership is the greatest way to impact people in the world. That's why I'm doing what I'm doing and being transformed. So to hear that from you, what is that going to mean to you? [JADE] What do you mean? [TYLER] What's it going to mean, anything about it, all right. This is not to talk about your dad, it's just a conversation. But if, his story and for those of listening and not understanding that your dad was a restaurateur and that all of a sudden became an author because life kicked him in the teeth. Is that fair? [JADE] Yes. Okay, and to see that transformation and that effect and impact on others, I don't think, and listening to him in the, in the times that we've interacted, didn't expect it, but knew he had to do it because he had been transformed both from a faith point of view and a heart point of view on all those factors. If you're looking at that and you're seeing that example and you know so many other people your dad has interacted with or people that we know mutually that's happened to, can you even see what those dots would look like for yourself? [JADE] Dots? What I'm not following. [TYLER] No, you're fine. Like the idea of you're on this pathway. You're on this pathway and you're speaking and you're impacting people. You think about it, if you were in your 40's, mom, a wife, whatever those aspirations are, and you're like, I've been doing this now for 20 years and thinking about if there was some type of man, I didn't think it would go like this, that impact of people and you talk about it, to talk to other girls or other people your age to say you, it can be better than what you have. If there was one thing there that you're like I want this to change for people, your mom, for example her health challenges and how she overcame that and then became the person that she was destined to be once she got through that, your dad, from a positive, positivity point of view, I can say really, I can get there, but if you think of yourself, it's like, man, this is how I can really extend this myself. [JADE] I think it's just the ability to impact people. I think, because I struggled for so long of like, what am I here to do? How can I make a difference? I went through a lot of my own challenges of saying, I graduated college with a communication degree and thought, okay, what am I supposed to do? I realized, because I saw that change in my dad, because I've seen people approach him and say, you have changed my life, that I realized that I know this stuff like the back of my hand and that my family wouldn't be where it is today without my dad changing and taking these principles and putting them into practice that I realized I have the ability to spread this message to impact people. I don't remember who it was, but somebody said, it just takes one person to change like the course of your family's life or whatever, and they're considered the one. So my dad, just like seeing how my parents grew up and how they were so poor and they didn't have any money and they weren't afforded the privilege to have positive environments of saying, my dad changed that. Yes, it was my mom who pushed him to change, but my dad did the work. [TYLER] Pushed or forced, I mean, let's --- [JADE] Yeah, a big push, big force, yeah, he definitely, he definitely did the work. So I think we always say, you're the one dad, you're the one who changed his family. We wouldn't be the people that we are today without you, and obviously, my very strong mother. But I think that it's finding that purpose of saying, I want to impact people and I want to help create more positive people because our world needs it. We really need it. [TYLER] Whether you realize it or not. And I think, this is, it's fun for me to be able to have this conversation because I see you trying to figure this out. And that's exciting, because I know as you're figuring out, you're realizing what you, what's already in you that you may not realize that like the Apostle Paul who is transformed and transformed because of his relationship with Jesus, your relationship with your dad and seeing it firsthand will be more powerful. I think you've probably already seen that, more powerful than even what your dad can communicate. Because you're like, no, this is what he isn't sharing or this is really how it impacted me. So as leaders go through this transformation, they not, they may see themselves like, I see myself transformed, but I don't appreciate and understand the impact that it's had on my children or it's going to have on their children or the kids that they interact with. I think that's a perspective that gives this idea of being in a leadership deficit to say, I see it so much because I've experienced it. That helps for you to be really that testimony to say it's not, oh yeah, well that's a style of leadership. It's the only way. Does that make sense? [JADE] Yeah, definitely. [TYLER] So when you think about it in those words, what does that make you feel? [JADE] It honestly just fuels me even more to say like, it is the only way. So my, I feel like my purpose is to share this with people because the things that people have been doing are not working and it's making people not want to go to work. It's making people frustrated and not understanding that to be a positive leader. It's all about all the different aspects of it, but it's like, again, it's the only way, it is the only way to impact people to be a positive person, to hold people to a standard, but love them at the same time and I think that it just fuels me. It just makes me realize that seeing my dad, seeing all the people that he's impacted, that they can have a transformation just like my dad and I can play a role in that by sharing this message with people. [TYLER] Well, I truly believe that you have a gift to shine a light where other people can't. I'm excited to see that light continue to grow. I'm excited to be able to I don't walk alongside you in that journey as well, maybe more [JADE] I love that. [TYLER] Yes. Jade, thank you so much for the time to chat. Where can people find more about you? If they want to invite you to come speak? Where can they do that? [JADE] You can email me at jade@johngordon.com. You can find me on Instagram. Jade Gordon 11, or also on Twitter. Jade_Gordon11. [TYLER] Awesome. Number 11, that makes sense. Lacrosse player. So I did hear that. One last thing. So you chose not to play college lacrosse but you had offers. [JADE] Yes. [TYLER] Where did you have offers? [JADE] Well, I was in conversation with the University of Southern California, so I was going to go out to USC and I was actually at Clemson with my dad. I had a call with one of the coaches and I remember there was not good service at all, and I was like freaking out. I'm like, oh my gosh, like it's not working. I can't get through, my texts aren't sending, I have a call with this lacrosse coach that maybe I could commit. I just remember my dad was like, the game's about to start. So we went down on the sideline and the balloons, like, they don't do it anymore, but they call it the most exciting 25 seconds in college football history at Clemson and they release these balloons and they run down the hill. It's just, the feeling is just amazing. I remember in that moment I thought to myself, I want to go here. I looked at my dad and I said, "I don't want to play lacrosse in college. I want to go to Clemson." He was like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll talk about it later." That was the decision of any other offers that came in because I was still playing travel, I was still playing in all these tournaments, but I had the mindset of I'm doing this for fun to enjoy it and I'm doing this to hang out with my friends that I've created relationships with over the past couple of years. It actually was my favorite time playing because I wasn't worried about what coaches were watching me and were they going to offer me and this. It was, I'm just going to go out and I'm going to love the game. I'm going to have fun. I'm going to enjoy it. I only applied to Clemson and I got in off the wait list and it was the best experience of my life and it was just God's plan. So I decided, I broke my dad's heart because his, that was his dream, was for me to play division one lacrosse. It's like one of those movie moments where I said, dad, I'm about to break your heart. He was like, what are you talking about? I said, dad, your dream is for me to play lacrosse. He's like, it's our dream. Like it's not our dream. I've been doing this for you. So when he realized that I would experience more happiness going to Clemson and not playing lacrosse, then he was, he was also like, okay, it's Clemson, I love Clemson, but it was also, he was pushing like, "Hey, they have a club team. You want to go play club?" Then I remember my senior year, he said, "Jade, if they get a lacrosse team, I will pay for you to go back and get your masters if you play." They got a team, I think like two years after I graduated and he was like, "Do you want to go back?" I said, "No, I'm done with school." But it was the best decision that I've ever made. [TYLER] Man, thank you for sharing that. I know that was a little walk down a strange memory but I appreciate you again, sharing that experience of walking through that. [JADE] Thank you [TYLER] Thank you so much. [TYLER] There was a moment as Jade and I wrapped up and we were finishing our conversation that we didn't record, but I talked to Jade a little bit more about that experience she had with her coach, and that's when she got really fired up because I shared with her the experiences of my daughter and what she's gone through as an example of, I would say less than, I wouldn't call it toxic leadership. There's worse. But yet when I saw that burning desire in Jade's heart to say it shouldn't be that way, and I shared with her, as I've shared with you guys, my main driver to do what I'm doing is one, because I've learned a better way, but also I don't believe people should be led by leaders who manipulate, who are toxic or let their insecurity come out in attacking ways. I've experienced that. I've honestly done some of those things. I didn't realize what I was going through as I shared in this episode. That's why I'm passionate about doing this. I'm passionate about sharing my experiences and my growth journey and having conversations with people like Jade who are in the midst of it, who are just going through and trying to distill out those experiences. They know what it's like, but to communicate that and share it with other, that's the journey Jade is on. As I expressed to her, her ability to take those experiences that her dad walked through and to share that with so many other and be that testament is powerful. Thanks for being here. I appreciate it. Thank you guys for continuing to support the Impact Driven Leader community. Whether it's through the book club, you can join for free on Facebook, the Impact Driven Leader book club, or the round table, look forward. Soon we'll have another workshop where I'll share more about the Impact Driven Leader round table. If you are not on the email list, make sure you subscribe. Go to tylerdickhoof.com. You can get both my blog and my weekly emails talking about podcasts like this. As always, if you're a subscriber, appreciate it. If not, hit that subscribe button either on YouTube or wherever you listen to these podcasts. Until next time, have a good one.