IDL32 Season 1: Doing what Must be Done with Chad Hymas
Why are surrender and acceptance important aspects of true leadership? How impactful is your mindset? Why is it important that you put your ego aside?
Chad Hymas is a ball of inspirational energy and he has an amazing story that you’re going to hear a little about. In 2001, at the age of 27, Chad’s life changed in an instant when a 2,000-pound bale of hay shattered his neck, leaving him a quadriplegic. But Chad’s dreams were not paralyzed that day—he became an example of what is possible.
We all go through something in life that will redirect the journey we’re on, and as a leader when we stop and realize that what’s happened to us, is for others, and not about us, we can start to serve people in unimaginable ways.
Chad inspires, motivates, and moves audiences, creating an experience that touches hearts for a lifetime. He is one of the youngest ever to receive the Council of Peers Award for Excellence (CPAE) and to be inducted into the prestigious National Speaker Hall of Fame.
In 2001, at the age of 27, Chad’s life changed in an instant when a 2,000-pound bale of hay shattered his neck, leaving him a quadriplegic. But Chad’s dreams were not paralyzed that day—he became an example of what is possible.
Chad is a best-selling author, president of his own communications company, and recognized world-class wheelchair athlete. In 2003, Chad set a world record by wheeling his chair from Salt Lake City to Las Vegas (513 miles).
Chad’s speaking career in the areas of leadership, team building, customer service, and mastering change has brought him multiple honors. He served as president of the National Speakers Association Utah chapter and is a member of the elite Speakers Roundtable (one of twenty of the world’s top speakers).
As a member of the National Speakers Association, Chad travels as many as 300,000 miles a year, captivating and entertaining audiences around the world. He has graced the stage of hundreds of professional and civic organizations, including Wells Fargo, Blue Cross Blue Shield, AT&T, Rainbird, IHC, American Express, Prudential Life, Vast FX, and Merrill Lynch.
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In this episode we discuss:
Do not underestimate mindset
Learn to let people add value
Putting your ego aside
DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE MINDSET
Do not make the mistake of underestimating the power of your mindset and what you choose to believe.
“I have met a lot of people that have full functioning of all their limbs that are more trapped than you will ever be in life … they refuse to change their mindset or the way that they thought in the past with changing circumstances. ”
We do not have a choice in what happens to us, but we do have a choice in how we respond. This is a simple truth, but it is powerful, and you should not underestimate your thoughts.
Be mindful of how you think about things and be willing and open to challenging yourself where necessary. Fix your mindset and keep it steady but it will guide your every day.
LEARN TO LET PEOPLE ADD VALUE
“The greatest way to add value to others is [to] let them add value to you. ”
Accepting is a skill and it is an integral part of leadership.
Even if you can do something by yourself, allowing someone to help you and permitting yourself to receive that help is an important part of leadership and successful business.
“You’re able to add value to them because they’re able to do something that you can’t do and they all of a sudden, automatically, no matter who they are, they’re like “I can do that. I can add value to them” … and I believe there is an intrinsic fulfillment out of that.”
By maintaining an overpowering ego and not letting yourself be helped or accepting help from others, you keep yourself stuck. It is in surrendering now and then that you can keep the doors of opportunity open and keep the energy flowing inside your business.
Otherwise, if you remain stuck, so will your employees and then your company will stagnate. Keep the channels of exchange open, be willing to learn, and willing to guide.
Do not wait for a crisis to happen to do something good and meaningful.
PUTTING YOUR EGO ASIDE
The moment you truly lose your step is when you refuse to learn or be taught.
To keep going and have courage, you need to be able to put your ego aside at times and be led.
Resources, books, and links mentioned in this episode:
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BOOK | Chad Hymas – Doing What Must Be Done
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There’s never the right time to do the wrong thing and there’s certainly never a wrong time to do the right thing.
Chad Hymas
Podcast Transcription
[TYLER DICKERHOOF]
As you know, as you've heard, part of this podcast is also doing the Impact Driven Leader round table. I want you to listen to this quick message, this is an invitation. I want you to come sit at our table. You're going to learn, you're going to grow and you can't help, but have a great time with us. And I invite you. You're listening. There's a seat for you with your name on it. Come join us.
[MOLLY SLOAN]
Hey, this is Molly Sloan. The Impact Driven Leader book club and round table have been transformational for me. I've been involved for the past six months and it's taken me on a journey to be a better leader and a better person at work, at home, and really in every interaction with people. Tyler's done a great job of guiding us through the books. They're current, thought-provoking and they apply to all of us. The weekly round table has become an accountability team. I've done lots of leadership trainings in the past where you feel on top of the world, the week after the event, but ultimately it wears off over time. This group is better. We're on a leadership journey with each other through frequent, ongoing discussions and continual growth. I strongly recommend this group to anyone aiming to continually develop as a leader.
Welcome back to the Impact Driven Leader podcast. This is your host, Tyler Dickerhoof. So glad you're listening in. Glad to share today's guest with you, Chad Hymas. Chad is a speaker, an author, an absolute ball of inspirational energy. Chad's got an amazing story that you're going to hear a little bit about. We're not going to integrate detail and as we wrap up, you're kind of going to hear why, but just to give you this, Chad is in a wheelchair, Chad travels throughout the world by himself, Chad has accomplished numerous Guinness world records, including riding in a, wheeling wheelchair quite honestly, from Salt Lake to Las Vegas. He did that about two years after his accident, which rendered him in a wheelchair, but we're going to talk a lot about leadership. We're going to talk a lot about relationships.
I'm going to share a little piece of my story and some of those really deep connections that felt like Chad and I had and experiences. I know you're going to be able to really get some amazing, really uplifting inspiration from this, but also there's a lot of great leadership lessons. How we really need to rely on others. How our limitations can open the door for others to add value in our life. So I'm excited to share this with you. Chad's going to encourage you a lot. We're going to have some great resources available with the show notes. So listen and watch some amazing videos Chad goes into, and I will catch you guys at the end. Thanks for being here. And I hope you get value. I know you're going to get value out of this, quite honestly. I got some amazing value out of it and really appreciate the opportunity to get to know Chad a lot more.
[TYLER]
Right, Chad, welcome in. Thank you for being here with me today. I'm super excited for everyone listening to be able to, if they have not heard your story to hear about you. But I'm just excited to chat with you and have a conversation. And as I shared with you, we had a friend introduce us, Clint Pulver, and as I shared with you guys kind of one of the things that was really striking to me is the learning about what happened to you and how that intersects with my own life. To me, that's pretty impactful and as I've prepared for this and got to know I kind of feel like I am reading a different version of my own story. So I'm super excited to just chat with you and have a great conversation today.
[CHAD]
I don't know, I'll be sharing my story, but hopefully bits and pieces will come out. I try never to think about me, but things will come out that'll be relative to our audience for sure.
[TYLER]
Yes. So just a little bit about, to get started, obviously you are one of the, probably the most active speakers in the world, and yet this last year has been a major challenge and different for so many people. I'd love to kick off and know what have you learned in the last 18 months for a guy that was on the road a lot to being forced off the road and what has that meant for you the last year and a half?
[CHAD]
Shondell and I just celebrated 27 years and for 21 of those, I've been traveling, usually staying about 26 to 28 days a month in a hotel. Now you're not allowed to judge me on that. There's a reason why. I like to get myself dressed. I know we say for better or worse in the wedding vows, but I have found a hotel room and me being busy to be my drug of choice and spending time with people. While I'm home, I see the dream that Shondell and I were building and I can enjoy it for a day or two and then I get a little, I haven't mastered this after 21 years. So I've been in a wheelchair for 21 of the 27 years and so to your point, your question, what have I learned, when the planes stopped flying and the hotel room shut down, because people aren't gathering, I am learning or 15 months after the, now it's now July, it's now middle of July, 2021.
So we're into this about 15 months. We picked up about nine weeks ago and been pretty busy. That's great, but I've learned that it's, it taught me it's not about what's my drug of choice. She needs me home. I've learned how to be a better husband. I don't have this sucker master, not even close. I thought I was a pretty good husband. I had no idea. I've learned how to be a better father. We had four children who are out of the house. We adopted two that are younger. They didn't have parents so we adopted them. They've never had a father figure in their life. I'll say that again. They don't know a dad that's home other than a dad that doesn't do certain activities. So me being home during COVID and being somewhere other than my bedroom, watching a movie, putting on COVID weight, going out into the room, the kitchen, my daughter from Guatemala or my son from Ethiopia is doing their homework, ages, a junior in high school and a sixth grader just to sit by him and just like, "Hey, can I hang out with you?"
That was learning a pivot point for me, learning how to surrender and saying, "Shondell, I really appreciate your help getting me dressed." And then I used to say, "I can do this by my, yes, but it's not about that. I want you to go spend time with the kids. I understand, but thank you for your help." That's hard, learning to allow her and what her love language is to help and to serve me because if she can't serve me in her words, it's tough to go serve others out in the community. That's her love language. That's what she does. She serves. So to not take for granted the opportunity to gather with your siblings at Easter or for father's day, because we missed mother's day last year. We usually have a family get together and a family dinner. We didn't have that.
And finally, I'll just say this notice. We haven't talked about business at all right now. Some things are more important than business. Don't wait to lose something before it becomes sacred to us in our lives. That means for each one of our listeners to be more of a proactive, conscientious person of other people's needs their fears, their victories, and try and help them with their fears or help them overcome a need or help them celebrate a victory before we lose the opportunity to do so. So don't wait for a birthday to tell them how much they mean to you. Don't wait for father's day to call up your dad and say, "Dad just want you to know, I'm traveling today and I was reflecting on dad, those words, you said me in the hospital 20 years. Dad, thanks for always being there dad."
And then to my kids, even the ones that are out, "Hey boys, I've been thinking about something. I never missed a game and you guys always brag about that, but this is not a pity call, but where was I first? Because you guys got your egos, but I don't re remember doing first class in the weed blow badge. I don't remember that. I know who did it. I just want you guys to know that I appreciate you guys allowing dad to do that for 21 years. I need to be more involved in your lives. Now you guys are growing up. I'm finally learning and I want to be in your children's lives once you have children. So I just want you boys to know how much that means to me that you let me do that. Thank you for allowing dad to go be a drug addict for a while and I'm trying to figure that out. So thank you guys." That's what I've learned. Business, that's a different story, and yes, we're busy and that's all, but business now is, I don't have that mastered, but I'm having a little bit of a mind shift right now.
[TYLER]
So what are you learning there? I'd love to know that.
[CHAD]
Well, we've shifted the way we do business. I mean, don't get me wrong, when things started opening up again, nine weeks ago, I got hooked at, you know how people fall back into their addictions, but I just opened the flood gates and said whatever you want. So we have. Now, I'm that phase where I'm kind of taking a step back saying, "Hey, I still want to be booked, but I notice myself putting some things on the calendar." Shondell’s asked me, "Hey, date night, every week. Well that means I fly to you or you fly home for date night. It is a date night every week and here's Gracie's or chair, here is the family vacation, no chat. I don't want you to fly in for just part of it. I want you there for all of it."
I don't have that mask by the way, I'm only committed for half of this standard reunion, because I left the office and I chose that, but I am going to be there for half. So I'm learning. So business is, people, as far as the speaking world goes, let me just, and forget about speaking. Just they need to gather. There's never been a greater need for people to have hope, faith instilled than today. There's never been a greater need to have good news. And there's a lot of people that have good news to share, thanks to podcast today. This is good news. This is not something you're going to see on CNN or if not CNN or MSNBC or Fox. I'm not here to talk about politics. I'm saying when I turn that stuff on in the hotel room more often than not, I'm depressed, I'm sad, and I am not happy.
It'd be cool to have just a straight news channel that does nothing of positive stuff, which is what you guys are all watching right now. So get addicted to this stuff. I'm just saying, get hooked and you're watching it all the time. This is not pun, I'm just saying, get addicted to this stuff because this, what you feed your head will eventually become your actions and actions will lead to the results you get. And I want good results. We've had good results, but finances are not long lasting happiness. I heard this. You want to be happy for a day? Go play around with golf. If you want to be happy for a week, maybe go to church and pray for yourself that week. If you want to be happy for a month, I don't know, go play two rounds of golf. But if you want to be happy for life stay close to your closest friends, be proactive rather than reactive and be willing to instill whole light and knowledge in the lives of other people without having something incur in their life to cause you to do that.
[TYLER]
Chad, before, I'm going to let audience in, so in April of 2001, you had a farming accident. In June of 1994, my family experienced a farming accident. I know what I was like before and after that I. Want to know what was the Chad like before your accident?
[CHAD]
Well, I had my own business. I was driven. I still haven't driven. I feel like I'm a person with passion. I love to, I'm finding that I love people more and more and don't like conflict or I don't like to have people who have hard feelings. I'm finding that more, that that's more important to me than it was prior. Before the accident, I had my own landscaping company to build the ranch. My dream's always been to be a farmer. So I was building that dream. I didn't have the money to pay for the ground or to bring in the elk. I've always wanted it, have a log cabin and raise elk on several hundred acres on several thousand acres in the Rockies and have people want to pay to hunt. That industry's called a guide, a guiding service, an outfitter, and that's a very tough business to get into, but once you establish your base you can do that.
So I've just always had that kind of instill my, it's not my dad. It's not what my dad did or my uncle or anything like that. My uncle was a cattle farmer. So I used to go help him brand and things and I loved that, but I when it became legal to raise elk, I knew that's what I was going to do. So after I got home from my LDS two year mission to Bangkok, Thailand, I married the girl that I dated in high school. We got married to about six months after I got back from Thailand and we started on the dream. And I didn't have that money so I started construction in the field. We moved out to where we're at today. So I'm from the office. This office is an offset of the house. And I bought this land and started to build.
And then I wanted to own several thousand acres of the Rockies. The owner put me on a 20 year lease, the option to buy at the end. Six years into building that dream, still running construction, so contractor by day, farmer by night, I made a bad choice. We're not going to talk about that right now and I ended up being what you're seeing today on the screen. So my hands are numb. I lost everything from the armpits to the toes. My stomach is numb. I lost two out of my three chest muscles. The muscle that I do have is called a diaphragm, which allows me to breathe with no trach in my neck. I did lose the midsection. I lost both of my legs and I lost use of my feet and toes and my fingers and hands. Well, I do use them for a lot. I can't feel, I can't tell them at all. I mean, they're completely numb.
That was where my new life was to begin. My dad quit his job and took over the dream of the farm for me. We'll leave that hope right now. It took me some, my dad said I could still be a guy. I've always wanted to be a guy. And it took me a while to figure out how to do that incrementally and to do the little things that make the big things come to fruition. It's not the big things that have brought Chad Hymas across the world. As we see a global map behind your shiny global head, Tyler, it is the little things that I have chosen to do every single day that have taken me all over those places. There's not too many places on that map behind you that I couldn't put a sticker on that I haven't been to. We have a map just like it and keeps very close track of where I go. I just like to look at it just because it shows me that farming has nothing to do with 600 acres.
I think sometimes our listeners think too small and I certainly was. I thought that 600 acres is a big piece of ground. That's small thinking. I thought that thousands of acres in the Rockies was a big accomplishment, small thinking. I think we've been in 89 countries. I just flew back in, just landed. I mean you know that, because we talked right before. I mean I just landed, just very landed, like minutes and came right here to this. In fact, you got a phone call earlier to see if we could move this 30 minutes. I mean, that took place. I just want people to realize that there is so much potential out there no matter what your dreams are, your ambition, your drive, your hopes. Sometimes we need to not think outside the box. Sometimes when you get rid of the box, mind thinking, altogether, there's no box.
I mean where I live, not in the city, you walk out here in the mountains, you look up and I see the, we call them stars, but I call them farms. There's got to be a lot of farms up there where they're not praying for water, but it comes when you need it. Some call it heaven and if that's what heaven is, that's all it is, a place where I can serve my wife for all she's done for me and brush her horses and be, I just want to be assertive. I just want to be your horseman. I'm dead serious. All it means, Tyler, selling up the horse and having them ready, yes ma'am here you go. That's what heaven looks like. I would sign up for it today for eternity. If heaven is me serving her all she's done for me, I will jump on that because something tells me there's a lot of green grass up there, lot of farms, lot of horses, lot of elk, lot of fishing streams. I don't have to shoot them. I don't have to kill them.
I just have to around. I used to shoot. I'm not against it. My boys try and get me to every year. I'm not against it at all. So I'm not trying to portray that. I'm all for hunting. I just have stopped because I've killed enough in my lifetime and my freezer is full. There's no need for me to go shoot another animal. I've got, in my office, I'm looking at three big elk mounts. I know that some people might be turned off by that. It's just me. It's just who I am. I love the doors, but I am done. I don't need more elk hunts. I don't need any more horns. I don't need to put any more bullets in a gun. I just like to go out there and be around the horses and that's me. I hope, I rambled. I'm sorry about that.
[TYLER]
No, no, no. Well, again, part of the excitement is like really, as I share and I'm going to share this, and is this probably vivid detail for our audience and I won't lie to you. I got more emotional and understanding emotional preparing for this episode than I've ever been in another episode. And one, because I love to hear your passion and it's a passion that I can relate to. The difference between what happened to you on that April 3rd in what happened to me is you made aa rash decision as you described it. I made a rash decision on that Thursday afternoon on June 4th and I was in a hurry moving hay wagons and I ran over my younger brother. You were in a hurry, moving hay and the bail ended up falling on you. You're here living. My brother is not living. The effect of what happened has gone through me, the effect of your decisions went through you.
[CHAD]
There's similarities there.
[TYLER]
Yes, and I think that the difference between Quantas, my brother ending up like yourself is that he didn't live, you know quite possibly that injury could have that. So as I hear your story again, it's so, for me, relatable.
[CHAD]
So Tyler, can I ask you a question?
[TYLER]
Yes.
[CHAD]
So fair enough. We're just going to be bold and blunt here, which I think we are. So is it fair to say that you ran over your brother and it took his life? Is that fair to say.
[TYLER]
That is absolutely what happened.
[CHAD]
Yes, that would be very, very tough. For me, I would rather break my own neck as you would rather be run over yourself. I know that just by looking at your eyes and seeing your heart. So you took somebody's life. Here's the cool thing, because there is something cool about this. As much as people don't, there's a lot of people that can relate to this right now. They're listening. They might not have killed somebody, because that's what you, I guarantee you said that in your mind, the depression, the suicidal thoughts that, "Hey, I don't deserve to live. Put me in jail," all those thoughts. I get all that. I get that. Here's what I've learned. You're like one of my good friends, his name is John Walsh. John Walsh is the host of America's Most Wanted. I can't think of anything, much harder to live with in life than knowing that at least when you're a good minded person like yourself with good intentions, accidentally taking the life of somebody else, especially that of somebody that you're close to and that you've grown up to know, that being your brother.
John Walsh, on the same hand was in charge of babysitting his son, Adam. That's all he had to do, just watch the son at the mall while the mother and the daughter are getting their nails done. That's all he had to do. He turns a blind eye for a brief moment and his son is slight. So that's a big deal. The only thing, as John has shared this publicly and in his book and was awarded for what he's done for humanity, the only thing that kept John was alive is probably similar to what you're doing now, to honor his son's loss by the way that he moves forward and lives his life. That's the only thing that's kept, taken a glock to chin. That's his exact words. The only thing that's kept him from suicide is to honor his son by a mistake that he feels he's responsible before.
John's not, while he's not religious, he's very spiritual. Listen, I'm just going to assume something right now. I'm going to assume that all of our listeners are listening because they're good people. I'm going to assume that all of our listeners are listening because they want to be successful professionally and personally. I'm also going to assume that all of our listeners one day want to go to a better place after this life. I'm just going to make that assumption. If that is a correct assumption, listen closely to what Tyler is teaching us right now and listen closely to what John Walsh is teaching us. You honor those things that you have made mistakes by, and then own your losses by the way you live.
So I need to honor the way that I hurt my wife and my children in the arguments and the bad language that I've used since then and throwing her help away and being negative by the way that I move forward. Likewise, Tyler honors the loss of his brother, whose life he took accidentally, by the way that he moves forward. it doesn't mean he has to put a podcast in his name or put his name on or give his own child, his brothers. It has nothing to do with that. It's by the way he moves forward because I believe when they are there, that they see things from a completely different perspective and you don't have to be a Christian or a Muslim or a Buddhist to believe that. We all have that in common, no one better than the other.
So I love that about John who shares that so eloquently, he's not a religious man particular to any religious sect. I'm a latter day saint. it doesn't make me better than a Muslim. I'm a Christian, but doesn't make me better than a Buddhist. There are several great disciples all the world, and they live their lives and coordinate with that. That's what's great about life. It allows us to learn and grow through our successes and through some of the things that we've made mistakes, we failed. Some will do the selfish thing and they'll turn, they'll go the other way. And I can't judge those people because I've done that. I just wasn't nor was I successful taking my own life. So I have found a greater success in choosing the alternative and that's what you're doing. And that's what John Walsh has done.
He's now 87. He's that old, and in all the years he was on Fox doing America's Most Wanted and now it's gone now, global. He's put just over 2,600 people of America's top fugitives that do want to kill, that do want to take and make other people's lives, and take lives. He's helped put them behind closed doors so they can't allow others to fail. See in life, if you want to fail, you're allowed to. Go ahead. You're not allowed to let others down. You're not allowed to do that. There's never a right time to do the wrong thing and there's certainly never a wrong time to do the right thing. So remember that.
I also want to share one more quick thing before we talk further. We always seem to, your first question what did COVID teach me? It taught me not forget the very foundation from which I was born and where I came from. I was born with a silver spoon. Now, when I say that, I'm not saying I was born to wealthy family. I was born with a silver spoon in that my parents told me from day one that the results that I would get in my life would always depend on the choices I would make after my successes and my failures. I was taught that on a daily basis. My dad played college ball. His coach taught him that, my dad taught me that. So everything that would happen in my life, not be because of somebody else although I might have to bear the burden on somebody else's choice, but it would be because of the choices I would make because the result of those other people's choices and my own.
I also tell people I was born with the silver spoon because we always had enough to eat. I know that because every time I ask for seconds, my dad said, "No son you've had enough." So I know that I had enough to eat. I know that when I asked for seconds. We lived in a very modest home, where my dad worked in a factory and we lived in a single studio apartment in mid Utah, three boys, I'm the oldest for eight years. I mean, I lived in the, I can't thank my parents enough for teaching me that valuable lesson. So back to these tendencies, we tend to forget that. There's a story about a guy that's in a hurry to get to a meeting and he can't find a parking spot. He's looking for a parking spot and he can't find one. So he looks up to heaven and he says, "Hey, you help me find a parking spot, God, I promise. I'll start going to church. I'll stop drinking and I'll treat my wife better. I will do that." And all of a sudden, out of nowhere, what happens, Tyler? What happens?
[TYLER]
There's a parking spot.
[CHAD]
Right there, buddy up front, he quickly gets up to heaven and says, "Nevermind, God. I found one on my own." It's a great story but listen to the power of that story and how quickly, you know we get our COVID vaccination and we start to loose goosey again. We just live this cyclical life where we forget, I'm not here to talk about religion or faith. I know that there's some innuendos in some of the things I share, but folks, please believe that I'm not here to convert or no one better than the other. Some of these greatest people don't, they don't call it what I call it. What makes them offer better than me? There's a reason for diversity. And you know what's cool about that? I don't have to understand the reason. I don't have to. My job is to love, give and serve everybody that I come in contact with. That's what I've been commanded to do and I'm going to the best I can for that commandment.
[TYLER]
One of the things that, as you tell that story of John and then to the guy with the parking space, part of that, I think in life is there's things that happened to us and we don't understand why it happened to us until much later. At what point did you realize what happened to you, both, internalized yourself, not because I've heard the stories of amazing what your dad shared, and I'd love to get into that, but when did you internalize to say, "Okay, I know now why this happened to me and what I can do from it." Because there's a, an exact moment, I can remember exactly where, and I'll share this, that I realized my brother's life did not end because of his death. It happened through me and be able to share the story. And as I've grown as a person, I can remember exactly where I was. I want to know if maybe that's the same for you.
[CHAD]
I think it's same for everybody. There's a couple pivot, I call them pivotal moments. They still happen today, but I think one of the factors is, in the hospital when I got the news, after waking up from a coma, that I was not going to be able to move all four limbs and that I was going to be confined to a wheelchair. All those thoughts start going through mind, everything from, how am I going to provide? What's going to happen to all my crews? Who's going to feed the elk and the horses? Wait a second. How are we going to have more children now? Wait, she deserves somebody that can help her get those children. Wait, I can't hold her hand. Forget about the intimacy. Wait a second. The other boys are now three and one. Who's going to teach them how to play ball like me? Wait, they deserve a dad.
You see where this starts to escalate. So now that's when you start to say, "Okay, I'm not doing that to them." And we use that as a crutch to fall on. For me, one of the times that that pivotal moment came, I don't know that I understood my passion and my purpose. When it went from finding out a way to overdose on drugs to the, I remember that day. I was waiting to find a way to take my life when Shondell brought the kids to come see me. You guys had go watch this because my mom caught it live on video. It's on my YouTube channel. Just go to Chad Hymas and you'll see it. She brought the kids to see me. They're three and one. There's no walking. They ran to my bedside. You'll see it. It's unreal. They run to my hospital bed, I got tubes on me, "Dad, we haven't seen you in a long time. Dad mom's said your legs don't work. We don't care. You promise you coach us dad." I'm still quiet, I don't want to talk. I'm that space that I put myself in.
You guys are going to have a dad that's going to give you what you deserve. That's the space my mind is in. No matter where you're at your mindset will always dictate your results. My mindset was set on you guys will say whatever you want. He didn't say another word to me. He said, "Dad, you promised you would coach us dad. So I'm going to get you ready to coach." I said no word. I decided, I kind of pretended a little bit. You can see it on video. I mean, I know exactly what I was thinking. Yes, I'll smile and I'll put on the show, but it won't take me long. I get there, I'll find a way. You guys are going to have everything that I had when I didn't see that I could give them more than what I had. Not worldly things. Maybe the opportunity to grow up with a dad that made a mistake and was better because, and did more for others maybe because of that.
Not in spite of it, but because of it kind of like what you're doing. That was not my thought. The kid puts on my shoes. It's right on video tape. You guys got to check us in and he's laughing, having a good time. The other one, one-year-old is putting on the other shoe, laughing. I can't feel it, but I can see them laughing at me because they've never done that before and they're put on my shoes, knowing that I used to put on theirs. Now they're putting on mine because they've been told that my legs and my hands don't work because mom prepared them a little bit. They're only three and one. It's amazing as adults when we forget the perspective of our youthful age.
And then the kid comes up, says, "All right, dad, we're taking off this. You're half naked dad. I'm getting your shirt. Dad, I'll bring your shirt. We'll cover you up dad. Dad will cover private areas, dad with a sheet and I put on a hoodie." You'll see it. It's all on tape. We have nothing to hide. The kid puts on a hoodie and you'll notice the three year old sits right on my midsection and lay the bed up. The other one year old sits on my feet. I can't feel any of this, and they start playing basketball catch. "Dad are we doing right?" "Yes, looks pretty good." And then the little kid starts to laugh out loud and the other boy, they started doing chest pass. I say, ok, here's a bounce pass. There's a bounce pass right on my knee. Let's try a bounce pass. Let's try a side angle pass. And this is all caught on tape and they're laughing and that's when I realized that I was [inaudible 00:33:17] which my dad said was more important that have many points I were in one.
After that day, suicide has never come. Didn't miss a game after that. Didn't miss one game. I missed a lot. We talked about that earlier. Didn't miss one of my kids games. I missed a little bit with the adopted children. I can't do that. Never. We fall back into tendencies and I don't, I've gotten back into the tendency of me being gone is the way that I need to live my life. And yes, while I'm helping people, that's great, but what have I accomplished if all I do is go help other people or trying to instill hope or inspiration or maybe a little bit of desire and drive a motivation to people. What have I gained if I miss my wife's birthday, which I did miss by the way, this last week.
She just got that this week. We scheduled to celebrate it when I got home. So we've been celebrating it now for a week because before I left, we celebrated it. Her birthday was four days later. I was gone and we celebrated it. She flew and met me in Las Vegas and we've been celebrating ever since and we'll celebrate again tonight. That's a pretty good birthday last week. So there's a point right there. There's no one right answer. As you heard Tyler say, I remember the day. For me, it's been kind of a journey, but that's one pivotal moment for me, but they still keep happening to me today. So I want to be real with everybody. I would love to hear yours.
[TYLER]
I'll share this piece. You mentioned earlier about this feeling, this guilt, those thoughts. Never one moment have I felt that. Just from the moment it happened, it was an accident and as person of Christian faith, there's only one way and that is God. I share that with people and they're dumbfounded and it's, I have no other reason to explain it other than God. At the same point doesn't mean it was easy. it doesn't mean it wasn't hard. I mean, my relationship with my mother during high school was four letter words because there was a lot of pain, lot happened when I was 14 as I ended my freshman year. One of the things, where it hit me, I was driving home from soccer practice. I took my son to soccer and driving home and at an intersection, as I looked both ways and I just feel this presence come over me, he said, "If you had the opportunity to go back, so your brother didn't die, would you?"
I said, "No, I would not change it because I wouldn't be the person I am today and I wouldn't be able to make the impact that I've made and going forward without the person that I've become, being able to tell about my brother, being able to tell about that experience, how I dealt with it right after the fact." I know you share this story of you in the hospital and your boys, and there's this angst. You hear that in your, as you're telling this, this angst, I don't want to be this person and then all of a sudden you note and realize I'm exactly the person they need. And for me, it was quite different, the fact that right after the accident, the police, the ambulance, everything is there and I'm sitting in front of the barn with our cows. I grew up on a dairy farm and I'm standing there. The sheriff is leaning against the hood of his car and he's asking me questions and I say, I'm 14 years old and I look at him as stone cold as I can remember. I said to him, "You can ask me any question you want to ask me. However, there are 50 cows in that barn that aren't going to milk themselves. So I'm going to go in there and I'm going to go milk those cows and if you want to come with me and ask me whatever question you want, you are more than welcome to come with me, but that's what I'm going to go do."
Now, I don't remember if he came with me. I don't remember that, but I remember that as clear as you and I are sitting in that conversation. There was another moment at another point where I'm in the gym, I'm sitting on the bench, just got done working out and I hear that voice again that said, "Tyler, this is how you deal with things." And I reflect back to that day and I reflect to some of those challenges there and I hear from you, you talk about that drug of choice and what I hear, in my view is I hear that's how Chad's processing and dealing with it. That's your, I'm serving people. I want to serve people. You talked earlier, it's like, I would love nothing more than be able to brush a horse, saddle a horse, give it to my wife because that to me is what I hear from you; is you want to serve.
So as you're a out serving people, it's like I'm serving people. And what I realized, how I dealt with things, how I dealt with things in my business, how I dealt with things as a leader is exactly what happened on that day, June 4th, 1994. I put my head down and I pushed. And as I had that exposure, it's like, oh, that's how I deal of things. That was the moment that I realized I can't do that anymore. I need to, instead of push my way and push my way through things as a leader, just push. I had to learn how to be more empathetic. I had to learn how to be softer. I had to learn how to, in my vision, put my arms around people. So those couple experiences, so, again, as you share, I'm like, it's not the same, but I can sure relate and I can relate and ---
[CHAD]
Everybody watching can relate. They can. Don't have to go through an experience of taking somebody's life accidentally or break your neck to feel trapped. I've met a lot of people that have full function of all their limbs that are more trapped than you'll ever be your lifetime. You've met them too. They refuse to change their mindset or the way that they've thought in the past with changing circumstances. If I refuse to change my mindset or what I believe because of my choice that night and the short that I took, which ended up resulting in a broken neck and being paralyzed in all four limbs, if I refuse to change the way that I walk and you can see, I want, I push a chair. But it wasn't way I was taught. I was taught to walk how most of you that are watching walk. If I'm not going to change that because I'm too stubborn, too prideful, I might change for anybody.
I mean, you have met people like that. I wouldn't be here with you. If I refuse to accept, people's help, as I travel, I wouldn't be able to travel. Do you realize that? I say this with humility. I'm the only one, no, no, but by Guinness that travels the world alone that is 95% numb. How does that work? How do I get on the airplane? I mean, let's, wait, how do I get my bags in the airport? Wait, how do I get in the airport? I travel alone. There's no nurse that goes with me. I drive myself. I know that looks, I'm 95% numb, but I've only heard a couple people. It's not a bad record in 21 years. People that I've never met before help me every day. I've never met them. "Hey buddy, we got you covered. We'll help you get the Uber." Wen I get a hotel, I'll find another stranger, "Hey, will you help me get in my chair? Hey, are you guys cool to grab my bags for me?" That's how it happens every single day in life. My clothes, takes me a couple hours, but I just change it. I don't like these clothes. I just, I'm not grateful. I like cowboy clothes. I'm grateful for these. You should all be grateful that I'm grateful. This could be a naked podcast. So I'm grateful.
[TYLER]
There's probably those out there, "Chad, let's be honest. This is not healthy."
[CHAD]
Yes. So I like wearing cowboy clothes, wranglers and cowboy boots. I just can't wear that stuff anymore. The wranglers are too tight for my skin and they make red marks and the boots are too narrow for my feet that seem to be swelling up the older than I get. Throughout the day they get wider. The more I drink, the water doesn't go to my bladder until I lay flat. Like right now, the water's going to my feet. I got some water right now. It is going back to my feet. So I wear shoes that expand with no laces and I get them on by myself. It takes me a couple hours, but I can do it by myself. But if I refuse to do that, I'd still be stuck on the bed, watching Judge Judy, which is very addictive, by the way. I want you to know she's very addictive. So I just wasn't fulfilled watching that all day long.
[TYLER]
How much of that, in my viewpoint, as I heard you share that before, to me, I believe that that is the greatest leadership lesson, just my viewpoint. That's why I want to know what was Chad like before? I believe that's one of the greatest lessons that you are able to really share with people. And this is, man, I've been part of this at times like, "Hey, I'm just do it myself. I can just figure it out." I had a mentor and I think you know him as well, John Maxwell, and one of the greatest things that he has shown me is the greatest way to add value to others is let them add value to you. When I hear your story about I go out and I do it and I ask people, "Hey, could you help me," I think there's an, a element of you're able to add value to them because they're able to do something that you can't do and they all of a sudden automatically no matter who they are, are like, "I can do that. I can add value to them. And I believe there's an intrinsic fulfillment out of that. So to me as I hear that, and you tell that, to me that is a great leadership lesson of one of the greatest leadership lessons, even though I can possibly do it or maybe not do it when I ask someone else, "Hey, can you help me do this," there's a lot of value and fulfillment that comes of that. That's just my take and I'd love for you to tell me differently or expand it.
[CHAD]
I agree with you. I think that when we surrender our pride and allow other people realize it's not that I can do it on my own, but surrender, that it doesn't have to be my way, that more doors open in the process. Remember I never wanted to be on your podcast. I never wanted to travel the world. All I ever wanted to do was be a simple farmer and I found through surrendering our pride, that some of our weaknesses can become our strengths as we let others add value to us. And that's allowed me to farm across the world. It's not because I'm better. So it's not because I'm stronger. It's not because I have more money or I'm more healthy or because I'm a Christian and others might not. It has nothing to do with that. It's because of the little choices that I'm choosing to make every single day that allow those opportunities to be put before me and put myself in a place of potential to serve, not a way that I had envisioned, but I have been intrinsically, like you said, you were fulfilled by that. If you want to make God laugh, tell Him your plan.
So I think we have a lot of the same belief systems and I think that a lot of people that are watching today have the same belief systems while they might not be spiritual or religious, they don't have to be. It's got nothing to do with that at all. Again, some of the greatest people that I've met in this life that understand what leadership is, they don't even call it leadership. They don't even call it church. They just go out there and they just do it. And to me, I think that's interesting what we're about right now. If a pandemic or a crisis were to happen in your neighborhood right now, let's say a school bus that tips over because it took the corner too short, Tyler, what would you be doing along with all of our viewers? Let's say they live right next door to you and you hear this big crash, yellow bus is on its side, there's a bunch of kids in there that are screaming and you got blood and you don't know what you got. You just got a yellow bus turned over on its side, kids are screaming and you see blood everywhere. What are you doing right now? During this podcast, it did happen right now during this podcast. What are you doing? You wouldn't even hit the hang-up button. You probably wouldn't even think about taking off your earbud. You probably wouldn't even think about that. You only have one thing on your mind. What is it? "Chad, I'm sorry. I got to go. Bye." I mean, you probably wouldn't say that. You hear the big bang and boom and people screaming and when you get to the bus, what are you doing when you get there? I'm asking, what are you doing Tyler?
[TYLER]
I am helping.
[CHAD]
You're helping. Let's bring more detail. You're going to start breaking glasses with your elbow, your fist, your feet because you got to get kids out. Tyler, which kids are you going to grab first? I'll be more specific with my question. Are you going to grab the black ones, the white ones, the Muslims, the Christians, Hispanics, the gay ones, the transgender ones, the ones with pierced belly buttons, the one with earrings, the ones with butterfly tattoo? Which kids are you grabbing first?
[TYLER]
The ones that I can help the most, the first, which is probably the closest ones.
[CHAD]
So you're telling me you're not going to prequalify skin color, race, black, Muslim, illegal immigrant? You're not going to prequalifying who you grab? Is that what you are telling me? I happen to agree with concept. Here's the problem. Look what we're fighting over right now in our country. It was built for land to have those freedoms that we just talked about. Look what we're fighting over right now on every news channel in our capital, in our homes, in our churches, in our schools and we're teaching people by what we tweet and how we respond to other people's posts. Look what we're teaching just by our response or when we see somebody write something, we completely disagree. Look at what we're doing. We're judging or pre-qualifying right there. But you told me once the bus tips over, there's no more judgment. That's the problem. We wait for a crisis or something called COVID before we, "Oh, what I said, that Twitter thing about that person or those bad things I said in private to my spouse about that individual or the way that I thought about that individual, that I predispose them to judgment...," we wait for a crisis to happen.
Right now, I'm trying my best to live a life. I am, because I'm guilty of this, of predisposing people to judgment and making assumptions. I don't want to wait for another COVID or another bus to take over my life before I realize none of that matters. When it gets right down to it, the color, the choices, how bad they've been, what they've done, that's not for me to even consider. I'm going to to help whoever I can, regardless of what they've done or what they've chosen to do. The message is not to wait for the bus to roll over.
[TYLER]
I think the great challenge there, and you brought this up earlier is like, sometimes we need reminders of it, but the best place to start with all of that is with yourself and with those closest to you.
[CHAD]
In your home, hey, in your home.
[TYLER]
Yep, exactly. I would be remiss if I didn't take the opportunity to ask about your dad and the impact he has had on your life and allow you to just share some of those elements, because this is what I saw as I listened as I prepared for this. Your dad is probably one of the greatest encouragers, wing men, confidants, supporters, as I've heard someone describe. And to me, that's what I envision of him, but I want to hear it, what impact has your dad had in your life?
[CHAD]
Do you have any kids, Tyler?
[TYLER]
I have three.
[CHAD]
How old is your oldest?
[TYLER]
She is 14.
[CHAD]
How would you feel if you found out that you're daughter who's a freshman in high school was on her way home and was in a car accident, that car accident did just take her legs, they were amputated? So by the way, that just happened in Utah about a month and a half ago up by a place we called Bear Lake. But also she would be confined a wheelchair that takes away her junior prom, she would no longer be part of the cheerleading team or the soccer team in the capacity she wanted and she is in immediate surgery. They just flew her to the hospital, you haven't seen her yet, and they walk you in there in a gown and a COVID mask to see her for the first time and her legs already been taken from her and she's got all those tubes of death. It's just in a perspective. As her father, thinking about already what you've gone through with your brother, will you or not want to take your child's place? Now, I don't know about you, but most of us would give anything. And my dad did. He wanted to give, but he knew that he could not.
Can you imagine the guts? I've got children. I don't think I could do it. I don't think I could do what my dad did for me and be the one to give me the news but here's why he did that, which I later learned from my mother. My dad did not want anybody to give me the news and designate my prognosis according to science or whatever they had discovered. My dad wanted it. My dad was straightforward. He said, "Hey, I have some good news and I have some news. It's going to little tough and after I give you this news, I have five things I want to ask you to do." I just say nothing to him. I was still numb and just coming to, but he wanted to be right there. Nobody else in the room, by the way, my dad requested, not even my wife because he knew once I would get this news, I would, my dad knows my pride. He knows how driven I am and he knows I do have a lot of pride.
So he asked to be alone and my wife gave him permission and he told me the good news he was glad that I was with him. We're best friends. Then he gave me some news that I wanted to hear. He didn't call me paralyzed. He didn't say I lost my legs. He said that I lost all four due to a decision that was made and he didn't hold judgment against me. And then he said, "I am asking you to be a better father, with no hands and no legs. I'm asking you to be a better husband to that beautiful wife of yours with no hands and no legs. I'm asking you to be better basketball coach, just like I taught you. You don't have to do laps. I don't ask you to do it. I'm asking you to be a better contributor to your community." That was number four, and number five, he asked me to be better.
Now when he said that to me, I immediately called his bluff because I thought he lacked credibility. Now, it's easy for you to say, you're not in my shoes, never have been and probably never will be. And I said some things to him that he knew I would say and he didn't say anything back. He did do something though. He didn't put soap in my mouth. He should have done that. He turned around and he walked out. So let's make this very clear. The room was already dark. I mean, it's an intensive care unit, there's tubes, I'm breathing through a trach. I can talk just a little bit. I can't feel my body. I'm peeing through a catheter. I can't fill my bowels. I'm just now once my best leaves, now the room's very dark. I can't even hit the call button to have someone come and comfort me like a nurse, can't even hit the call button. So now the room's really dark. My dad left, because we stay on the ranch all the time. You can lead a horse ...
[TYLER]
To water, but you can't make them drink.
[CHAD]
I wasn't willing to be teachable. I want you to know as I'm sharing with the group that's watching right now, that's my greatest fear. I don't fear the camera anymore. I don't fear the lights in front of my face. I don't fear talking in front of people. Heck I don't even get the butterflies. My greatest fear is that people come and listen to your podcast and they leave the podcast and they don't find someone to serve how they love. What a waste of the podcast? What a waste of, right now we've been together for 51 minutes and 53 seconds. That's how long Tyler and I have been on. That's our time. What a waste of your time? Do not be the undrinkable horse like I was. My father came back in and said, "Are you ready to talk? Are you going to be like all the other horses in the herd?" I said, "Dad, I'm sorry for the swear words. Let's be real. I can't hold her hand. I can't coach. I can't do a layup. I can't feed myself up. I can't hit the button dad. I can't go to the bathroom. I can't have an intimate relationship with my wife."
He said, "Stop. Just stop. Son, are you listening to yourself?" He said, "You notice what all those sudden started with?" I said, "Can't." He said, "No, no, no. You missed this thing. You missed it. They all just started with the word I. I didn't come here to talk about you. I came here to talk about all those other people that are out there in the waiting room. We can't let see you because you're focused on you and not them and the things I ask you to do." That takes courage and that was my way, my dad's way of healing. I later learned from my mother that my dad went, while I was in a call my dad went four days, not any drink or any water, four days, not 40, like another person that we know, but four. I asked my dad about that years down the road, "Dad, mom told me that you went without food or water. Can you tell me a little bit about that dad?"
He said, "Son, I want you to know that I'm proud of you for what you've done and what you've continue to do. You're my inspiration. You're my best friend. If it's okay with you son, I'd like to keep that to myself for now. It's very sacred to me, going through that and seeing my son go through that, but I'll make you a promise. Before I leave this life, you'll know exactly why I went four days without any water and I will share with you." It's been six or seven years since we've had that conversation. I've been in a wheelchair for 21. My dad still hasn't told me. So I can't answer for you, but I know that he knows that I want to know and my dad will decide that timing and when it is he and I will talk. I don't know if I'll ever be able to share it because apparently it's very, very sacred, but something happened during that time and it gave my dad the courage to do an experience and put himself at a place of receiving what he needed to receive in order to have the courage to help me see through the bifocals of something he wasn't even ready to share about. He had other options. The other options are to let the doctors talk to him. That's easy. Let his wife go talk to him.
[TYLER]
It's real easy to choose not to lead. The hard choice is I'm going to lead and see this through and that takes real courage.
[CHAD]
That takes more. Courage is not even the right word. I don't know that we have a word in our language because courage is probably the closest thing or one of the closest words, but I don't think there's a word to describe it. Sorry, when I get emotional, I cry out of my nose. That's probably a side effect of, I don't know why I cry, but I cry out of my, not my eye, but my dad is, to your point somebody that I talk to daily, I didn't say every other day, and it's very quick and it sounds like this, "Hey son, where are you at today?" "Dad, I just got back from a trip doing a podcast with a guy by the name of Tyler. I just wrapped it up, dad and I'm going to head out to the ranch and talk to a bunch of youth tonight that are staying on the ranch for their youth group summer camp. And then I'm going to come home and we're going to celebrate Shondell's birthday for the fifth time weekend." He'll say the same thing he always says, "Well, I just want, you're proud of you. We'll talk very soon. I better go. Bye." And that's it. There's no, I love you. And I don't need to hear it. How many people have their father call them every day?
I don't know the answer. I'm just posing a question. How many people have their father call them every single day and tomorrow my dad will call me. He will say, "Where you at today son?" "Dad? I just land on an awesome Texas day. I'm here for an organization and some group. It's an insurance group, dad and they're doing a hotel in Texas. They don't in Covid dad. They've never thought it existed. So there's no, that is kind different. That's the way it is." He's like, "Okay son. Stay safe. Just want to let you know I'm proud of you. Better go. Bye." That happens every single day of my life. He doesn't ask me about tomorrow, this week, because it takes away from his reason to call. So he asked me not to talk about tomorrow. He's asked me to look forward to tomorrow, but don't, that gives him reason to call. So we don't talk about tomorrow.
[TYLER]
There's a leadership lesson in that.
[CHAD]
So I try to do that same thing with my children. If I don't call or text, we usually have devotional every night. I'm pretty good about that. I mean, I have missed a little bit here and there when I'm flying, but even from the plane I'll get on, I'll cover up with a blanket, you're not supposed to do this, but I'll call and I'll get on for devotional night real quick because I would get in trouble. I try not miss about talking to all children, just trying to follow his example. My dad's an incredible human being. My dad was the one that inducted me into the national speakers Hall of Fame. My dad was one that coached me in basketball. I'm not taking away my mother. I used to pray for my mother. Now I just pray to, I mean, my mom's a Saint. Don't get me wrong. My mom and my dad have had their faults and we've all made our mistakes, but I realize my mom's mistakes that made me a better person. So my dad's, I'm hoping that my mistakes do the same for my posterity. I'm learning that I think more now than ever.
[TYLER]
Well, I appreciate that and Chad, thanks so much for this. I appreciate getting to know you. and I appreciate this time together and thankful a friend connected us. I appreciate everything you've shared because I know you are going to make an impact.
[CHAD]
Man, we say one thing about the accident, which I think is the perfect thing to do. It's not about that. If people want to know they can find it. It's all over. I'm sure yours is easy to find. Things are broadcast all the internet, but it never was about that. Just like you said, you wouldn't go back and change that accident. It never was about that. That's just the catalyst, what's allowed you to do what you've done it. So I'm kind of glad that that didn't come up.
[TYLER]
Thank you for being thankful for that. And to me, it's not about that. It's about everything you learn and everything you do, and it's just an event. So keep moving, Chad, thank you.
All right. So that to me was well worth the money and the time that I spent and I hope you guys as well got tremendous value. Some of the things that I just really got from Chad is how his dad had to go, walk away, how his dad had to kind of come to grips with what the reality was and as a leader, how important that is for us sometimes? Preparing for this episode, I heard some amazing stories and we didn't get into all of them. Go search Chad, listen to some of those other episodes, but what I want you to get out of this is why and how Chad got to where he was. It's because someone else believed in him and at the same point, he ultimately saw his great opportunity.
We all have that as he mentioned. We all go through something in life that will point our life in a direction and as a leader, when we stop and realize what's happened to us is for others and not about us, man, we can start to, a story that I shared, what my journey, what my experiences in life have led me to and why I want to do this podcast, why I love talking to people like Chad, so I can become better, but I want to be able to share these stories so that through some of my experiences as well, we all can become better leaders. Because as I grow, I believe that as one learns, we all learn and you don't really learn anything until you start teaching it. So I encourage you go watch that video of Chad and his boys. If you're not emotionally taken from that and realize that wherever you're at, no matter what you're able to do, you are able to serve people in a big way, man. I challenge you because I know you are.
Same point, if you got value out of this episode, go share with someone, please. I know they're going to get value out of it too. I'd love for you to leave me a review and a rating. Let me know how I'm doing, please. I just want to be able to serve you guys and so I hope you're getting value of this. Send me an email. Let me know. And until next time have a great day and thanks for being here.
